Sillon

DAC7 and your
Discogs sales.

Once a year, Discogs files a set of figures about you. This page is about what those figures are, and how you would check them.

The short version

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    It is a report, not a new tax

    DAC7 is an obligation on the marketplace, not on you. It introduces no new tax and changes no rate or threshold. What you owe on your sales is decided by your own country's rules, exactly as it was before DAC7 existed.

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    Who Discogs reports

    Sellers it considers to be in the EU who passed either of two marks over the calendar year: 30 orders or more, or €2,000 or more in consideration after sale fees and taxes. It is an "or" between the two, not an "and" — 30 small orders is enough on its own.

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    Where it goes

    Discogs files with the Dutch tax administration, which passes each seller on to the tax administration of their own country. You get a summary of the figures filed about you.

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    What you cannot easily do

    Check it. Discogs does not publish the detail of its calculation, so the summary arrives as a set of totals with no working shown, and nothing in your account reproduces them.

Why checking it is harder than it sounds

The summary you receive is a small table of totals. Reproducing it from your own sales sounds like a morning's work with a spreadsheet, and it isn't — not because the arithmetic is hard, but because three rules are not written down anywhere, and each one moves the result.

Which orders count. Cancelled and unpaid orders drop out entirely. A refunded order counts as an order but not as money. Get that one wrong near the line and your count is off by exactly the amount that decides whether you are reported at all.

Which currency. Mixed takings cannot be summed without inventing a rate, and the threshold is written in euros.

Whose calendar. The year starts and ends on a clock eight or nine hours behind you.

None of this makes the Discogs figure wrong. It makes it unverifiable without doing the same work twice — which is the actual complaint behind every thread on the subject.

What this page is not

It is not tax advice, and nothing here tells you what to declare. DAC7 changes nothing about your own obligations; it changes who else tells the tax administration about your sales. What you owe, when, and on what, is a question for your own country's rules or for someone qualified to read them with you.

Where Sillon fits

Sillon is a €9-a-month tool for Discogs sellers, and one of the things it does is rebuild this calculation from your own orders — your year, broken down by quarter and by currency, with cancelled and refunded orders handled as described above. It exists so you can hold your figures next to the ones filed about you and see where they part company.

It is a reconstruction, and it says so. Where the two disagree, Discogs' numbers are the ones that were filed — ours are the ones that are wrong, and the rule gets corrected rather than the figure.

See what Sillon does

Questions

How does Discogs decide I am in the EU?
Not from a tax residence you declared — there is no such field. In practice it follows the country your listings ship from, which is an account setting. That is a shipping origin, and it is not the same thing as where you are tax resident. If the two differ for you, that is worth knowing before the summary arrives rather than after.
I sell in euros, dollars and pounds. How does the threshold work?
The threshold is written in euros. Totals in other currencies cannot simply be added to it without a conversion rate, and any rate you pick is a choice you would have to justify. The honest answer is that the €2,000 mark speaks to your euro takings, and your other currencies have to be looked at as their own totals.
Do cancelled and refunded orders count?
Cancelled orders and orders awaiting payment do not count at all. A refunded order is the awkward case: it still happened, so it counts towards the number of orders, while the money that came back does not belong in the amounts. That single distinction moves a seller sitting near the line from one side to the other.
Are my PayPal fees deducted?
No, and they cannot be. The deduction is described as being after sale fees and taxes, but payment processing fees do not exist as a field anywhere in the Discogs order data. They are missing from any figure worked out from that data, including Discogs' own.
A December order — which year is it in?
It depends whose clock you use. Discogs timestamps in US Pacific time. An order placed late on 31 December in Europe can fall on the previous day over there, and land in the other year. Around the turn of the year, a one-order discrepancy is usually this and nothing more.
My figures and the Discogs summary disagree. Who is right?
Discogs is, in the sense that matters: its numbers are the ones filed about you. A difference is not an error to correct in the filing, it is a signal that whichever rule you reconstructed is not quite theirs — most often one of the three above.